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	<title>Comments on: Women As Deacons - 1 Tim 3:11</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis Laing</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-61037</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Laing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I spend most of my time over at www.mayberrychurch.com

I have linked your site there...

Blessings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>I spend most of my time over at <a href="http://www.mayberrychurch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mayberrychurch.com</a></p>
<p>I have linked your site there&#8230;</p>
<p>Blessings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Milly</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-60529</link>
		<dc:creator>Milly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
The elders, I no longer call them shepherds, now know where Milly stands on them taking authority that they were never to have. When asked what they could do to improve how they handle the next situation I told them to read Galatians make camp in it. 

If you want to know more about a woman’s role in the church do a study on the women of the bible. Women had a huge role in the past. Mary gave birth to Jesus and  a woman was the first to see him when he rose from the dead. Look at Martha, Leah, Lydia, and so many others. We are blessed with so many wonderful women to draw examples from too bad they don’t teach us about them, really teach us. 

What happened at my church was then delving into my personal life, what hit me hard was the fact that it wasn’t kind and they lied to me. Not only was it none of their business but it isn’t what’s happening. All they had to do was ask. I told them without them asking the first time and set them straight the in second meeting.  

Thank you for your prayers. It hit me rather hard today. I'm a bit worn from it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
The elders, I no longer call them shepherds, now know where Milly stands on them taking authority that they were never to have. When asked what they could do to improve how they handle the next situation I told them to read Galatians make camp in it. </p>
<p>If you want to know more about a woman’s role in the church do a study on the women of the bible. Women had a huge role in the past. Mary gave birth to Jesus and  a woman was the first to see him when he rose from the dead. Look at Martha, Leah, Lydia, and so many others. We are blessed with so many wonderful women to draw examples from too bad they don’t teach us about them, really teach us. </p>
<p>What happened at my church was then delving into my personal life, what hit me hard was the fact that it wasn’t kind and they lied to me. Not only was it none of their business but it isn’t what’s happening. All they had to do was ask. I told them without them asking the first time and set them straight the in second meeting.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your prayers. It hit me rather hard today. I&#8217;m a bit worn from it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-60332</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, yes, that is what I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, yes, that is what I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-60276</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty - Thanks for the NetBible reference. I've looked at a few commentaries and most lean that way but a few(Clarke, JF&#038;B) think it makes more sense to translate it "women". If the experts can't agree then what are we to do? :) One thing that struck me in the commentary you quote is the last part where he says that this passage "appears to be an overarching principle for church life". I'd like to know how he came to that conclusion. Have to look it up when I have time.

Milly - I thought of you and the situation you've hinted at as I was writing this. I'll be praying for you as you work through this. I just think that the CofC has some fundamental issues to work through on how it approaches scripture. And until then we're going to keep seeing issues such as authority, music, women, etc. have real(hurtful) impact on people's lives.

Lynn - I think I know what you're getting at. Sounds like you're saying that even if this passage does not specifically authorize women as deacons it's still ok to do so because it does not violate scripture as a whole. Is that it? Cause if not I'm not sure what you mean. :)

Dennis - Thanks for dropping by! I've been wondering about you since your personal site seems to be down. Hope everything is going ok. Yeah, the next thing I wanted to look at were the individual references to "deaconess" and see where that leads. Thanks for the heads up on a good place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty - Thanks for the NetBible reference. I&#8217;ve looked at a few commentaries and most lean that way but a few(Clarke, JF&#038;B) think it makes more sense to translate it &#8220;women&#8221;. If the experts can&#8217;t agree then what are we to do? <img src='http://www.asmallfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> One thing that struck me in the commentary you quote is the last part where he says that this passage &#8220;appears to be an overarching principle for church life&#8221;. I&#8217;d like to know how he came to that conclusion. Have to look it up when I have time.</p>
<p>Milly - I thought of you and the situation you&#8217;ve hinted at as I was writing this. I&#8217;ll be praying for you as you work through this. I just think that the CofC has some fundamental issues to work through on how it approaches scripture. And until then we&#8217;re going to keep seeing issues such as authority, music, women, etc. have real(hurtful) impact on people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>Lynn - I think I know what you&#8217;re getting at. Sounds like you&#8217;re saying that even if this passage does not specifically authorize women as deacons it&#8217;s still ok to do so because it does not violate scripture as a whole. Is that it? Cause if not I&#8217;m not sure what you mean. <img src='http://www.asmallfaith.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Dennis - Thanks for dropping by! I&#8217;ve been wondering about you since your personal site seems to be down. Hope everything is going ok. Yeah, the next thing I wanted to look at were the individual references to &#8220;deaconess&#8221; and see where that leads. Thanks for the heads up on a good place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Laing</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-59808</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Laing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romans 16:1 "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea."

Do a word study on the term Servant here... It may help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romans 16:1 &#8220;I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do a word study on the term Servant here&#8230; It may help you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-59509</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, this is not one of those hard-to-precicely-interpret-texts that troubles me, because of two reasons.  

1) Even if the text does NOT mean a formal order of women deaconesses, I can see no reason why having such an order in the church, if people do interpret it to mean such, would be anti-biblical.

2) I can see such order fulfilling a biblical mandate for women to serve and minister, which we all agree they are free to do and called to do as saints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, this is not one of those hard-to-precicely-interpret-texts that troubles me, because of two reasons.  </p>
<p>1) Even if the text does NOT mean a formal order of women deaconesses, I can see no reason why having such an order in the church, if people do interpret it to mean such, would be anti-biblical.</p>
<p>2) I can see such order fulfilling a biblical mandate for women to serve and minister, which we all agree they are free to do and called to do as saints.</p>
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		<title>By: Milly</title>
		<link>http://www.asmallfaith.org/215/women-as-deacons-1-tim-311/#comment-59368</link>
		<dc:creator>Milly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you this I’m fed up with men taking authority that they don’t have to the point of leaving the Church of Christ. God given talents are taken away or repressed because of the fact that the men are holding on to tradition. I had no real problem with not having women take those rolls in my church because we are given several different rolls including leading the teens. After they stepped into lives that they have no authority over I see how very wrong it is for the men to turn their backs on women in leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you this I’m fed up with men taking authority that they don’t have to the point of leaving the Church of Christ. God given talents are taken away or repressed because of the fact that the men are holding on to tradition. I had no real problem with not having women take those rolls in my church because we are given several different rolls including leading the teens. After they stepped into lives that they have no authority over I see how very wrong it is for the men to turn their backs on women in leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &lt;a href="http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;NetBible&lt;/a&gt;, regarding the word translated either as wives or women:
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Or “also deaconesses.” The Greek word here is γυναῖκας (gunaika") which literally means “women” or “wives.” It is possible that this refers to women who serve as deacons, “deaconesses.” The evidence is as follows: (1) The immediate context refers to deacons; (2) the author mentions nothing about wives in his section on elder qualifications (1 Tim 3:1-7); (3) it would seem strange to have requirements placed on deacons’ wives without corresponding requirements placed on elders’ wives; and (4) elsewhere in the NT, there seems to be room for seeing women in this role (cf. Rom 16:1 and the comments there). The translation “wives” – referring to the wives of the deacons – is probably to be preferred, though, for the following reasons: (1) It would be strange for the author to discuss women deacons right in the middle of the qualifications for male deacons; more naturally they would be addressed by themselves. (2) The author seems to indicate clearly in the next verse that women are not deacons: “Deacons must be husbands of one wife.” (3) Most of the qualifications given for deacons elsewhere do not appear here. Either the author has truncated the requirements for women deacons, or he is not actually referring to women deacons; the latter seems to be the more natural understanding. (4) The principle given in 1 Tim 2:12 appears to be an overarching principle for church life which seems implicitly to limit the role of deacon to men. Nevertheless, a decision in this matter is difficult, and our conclusions must be regarded as tentative.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sigh. Yes, it would be nice to figure this one out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the <a href="http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm" rel="nofollow">NetBible</a>, regarding the word translated either as wives or women:</p>
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Or “also deaconesses.” The Greek word here is γυναῖκας (gunaika&#8221;) which literally means “women” or “wives.” It is possible that this refers to women who serve as deacons, “deaconesses.” The evidence is as follows: (1) The immediate context refers to deacons; (2) the author mentions nothing about wives in his section on elder qualifications (1 Tim 3:1-7); (3) it would seem strange to have requirements placed on deacons’ wives without corresponding requirements placed on elders’ wives; and (4) elsewhere in the NT, there seems to be room for seeing women in this role (cf. Rom 16:1 and the comments there). The translation “wives” – referring to the wives of the deacons – is probably to be preferred, though, for the following reasons: (1) It would be strange for the author to discuss women deacons right in the middle of the qualifications for male deacons; more naturally they would be addressed by themselves. (2) The author seems to indicate clearly in the next verse that women are not deacons: “Deacons must be husbands of one wife.” (3) Most of the qualifications given for deacons elsewhere do not appear here. Either the author has truncated the requirements for women deacons, or he is not actually referring to women deacons; the latter seems to be the more natural understanding. (4) The principle given in 1 Tim 2:12 appears to be an overarching principle for church life which seems implicitly to limit the role of deacon to men. Nevertheless, a decision in this matter is difficult, and our conclusions must be regarded as tentative.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sigh. Yes, it would be nice to figure this one out.</p>
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