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Where’s the Gospel?

Sunday, August 3rd, 2008

If you’ve read AsF for any time at all, you are probably aware of our family’s struggle to stay or leave the church that we have attended for 16+ years. We’ve been visiting around some this summer. Frankly, it’s not our favorite thing to do, but it’s been beneficial. It has given us a little distance (not an unhealthy amount) which has allowed us to more accurately assess our current position. We’ve been able to step back a little, so to speak. It was nice to be back and see faces we haven’t seen in several weeks this morning, but our concerns about the teaching were confirmed a little. Here’s a snippet of what we heard (based on the first few verses of 1 John 5):

-”Salvation is the desired opportunity to live in the Kingdom of God, which enables us to experience life as we would never know it and takes us where we cannot go.”

-”God will take you on as a project.”

-”If we are born again, there should be a ‘genetic pass-down’ from our heavenly Father” [I'm not sure exactly what was meant here, there wasn't much explanation.]

-”If it’s a burden to keep God’s commands, check your love levels.”

-The culmination of our communion time was the song, “Living for Jesus.” We were instructed that if we really take the communion plate seriously, the first verse should be our response. It states, “Living for Jesus, a life that is true/Striving to please Him in all that I do;/Yielding allegiance, glad hearted and free,/
This is the pathway of blessing for me. ”

While none of this is absolutely incorrect theology, it seems to me to be shallow at best, and in places, it’s simply incomplete. I’m left feeling a little like the old lady on those old Wendy’s commercials.

Cardboard Testimonies

Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008

A friend sent me the following YouTube link earlier today and I can’t stop thinking about it. It was a welcome reminder of how God makes Himself known to each of us right where we are. More personally, it has caused me to reflect on how much knowing Him has changed me in some ways and how far I have yet to go in others. Take the next couple of minutes and check it out for yourself…

My cardboard testimony would say “Proud Liar & People Pleaser/Humbled by God’s Grace.”

How would yours read?

Open Mic – What’s a Pastor anyway?

Tuesday, April 22nd, 2008

A week or so ago, Jared Wilson did a post looking at some statements from Mark Driscoll on how he pastors. Great post and great comments – you should read it if you get a chance. The challenges to being a mega-church pastor are many and I think it probably isn’t too odd that a pastor in this situation isn’t, well, very pastoral. At least in the traditional sense.

So I want to bring the question down to a level that represents more of the average church in America. Here’s the context of the church :

  • Less than 200 members

  • Membership is multi-generational
  • May or may not have elders and deacons
  • Regardless, the pastor is the de facto leader
  • Pastor is full-time, not bi-vocational

My question for you guys is – How should a pastor pastor in this setting? What are his goals? How does he interact with the members. How does he feel towards them. What does he do on a daily basis? What are those telltale signs of a good pastor(i.e. He knows everyone’s name and that Susie lost her guinea pig last week)?

I think you see what I’m trying to get at so please comment and let me know what you think.

Maintaining an image

Wednesday, April 16th, 2008

As Christians, do we feel the need to put forward a more sanitized version of Christianity to the world? It’s like we have this image to maintain of a “blessed” life that is more attractive to the world. How that blessedness is defined depends on you particular context – money, the right job, well-behaved kids, good marriages, inner peace, joy and smiles through disaster, etc. Whatever they are, we use them to attract those outside the church to the “good” life.

What’s missing is that we are still a sinful people. We’ll admit this behind church walls but we tend to obscure it to the general public. But, I think they kinda know. The iMonk says this in a recent post talking about how young people view Christianity in a negative light :

At the heart of much Christianity is a strange irony: in a faith that requires us to confess, not avoid, the knowledge of our own sinfulness, we make it almost a fetish to find ways to blame unbelievers and non-believers for their low opinion of Christians.

So then, perhaps part of the solution is not to deny what we know to be true. This is not about flaunting our imperfections. But rather being honest that we’ve not yet arrived and it’s looking like a long trip down the road before we do. We need to get past offering principles and steps and move on to Jesus as our source of hope. He is the real difference and it’s too often that he’s treated as a step along the path to success. Paul says in Colossians 1:16-22 :

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,

Jesus is not just a rung on the ladder of spiritual success. He is the first and foremost in God’s plan for not just redeeming us, but for all of creation. When we see him in his proper place, we must boast in him. Not in the supposed “blessed” life we feel we have to put forward to look attractive to the outside world. Besides, if iMonk is right that plan’s not working quite like we’d like anyway.

We’ll know it when we get there – or maybe not

Wednesday, February 6th, 2008

As I think about whether to move on from our current church one of the hesitations is that I don’t have a complete picture of what I should be looking for. And that bothers me. I’m a systems analyst by trade and that side of my personality likes to know where I’m at, where I’m going, and how I’m going to get there. Along with an accompanying process flow diagram, of course. :)

I recognize that in myself but I also recognize that real life isn’t necessarily going to appease my personal quirks. So I just have to deal. That doesn’t mean there are no guidelines or parameters. Just that they aren’t as concrete as I might like. And part of the reason it’s like that is that no matter how complete the checklist, there’s always going to be that ineffable something that you only know by actually being there. Call it intuition or the Spirit or whatever.

Quite frankly, I could do without all that experiencing. Not because I’m opposed to the subjective(although being a mentat does sound cool) but because it means that, well, you have to experience it. And that takes time. And even after all that time you can still end up being wrong. Ugh.

So will we know it when we get there? Maybe…. more likely it’ll be a case of figuring what’s most important to us and what are we willing to let slip by the wayside. But we could be surprised, who knows?

Overheard at work today

Wednesday, October 31st, 2007

A co-worker was relating how her daughter wanted to go trick-or-treating tonight but they weren’t going to because “God would rather us be at church tonight than trick-or-treating in the neighborhood“.

Thoughts? Insights? Rants?

Full disclosure – our family will be taking it’s chances in the neighborhood…

Hello, it’s been a while…

Wednesday, September 5th, 2007

bean.jpgHas it really been almost 3 weeks since we’ve posted? There’s just been lots of stuff going on that make it hard to sit down and write something out. Just a sample – Jenn’s been preparing for the start of Community Bible Study, one of the girls had to have some minor surgery, and then we had a weekend trip to Chicago in the midst of everything else. And those are just the “big” things. But I think things are slowing down a little bit so maybe we’ll have some spare time to devote to blogging.

We(Jenn and I) still have regular talks about whether to stay out our church or not. It’s a tough decision and quite frankly, a lot of it centers around the kids. But the situation there doesn’t look to be changing anytime soon so at some point we’re just going to have to buckle down and decide something. It’s so much easier just to put it off though… :)

Been reading quite a few new blogs from people either in the same place or further down the road than we are. Subversive Influence, Under The Grace, Thoughts from a Ragamuffin, and A Deconstructed Christian all provide some useful insights into what being part of the church is all about. You might not agree with everything they say but that’s not really the point, is it?

Speaking of blogs, ye olde blogroll is in need of some updating. Expect that within the next few weeks.

BTW, the picture above(click on it for a larger version) is of the bean in Chicago. It’s a great little town and we actually get to go back in about a month. So if you have any suggestions of things to do for a family with small children then suggest away. We’d love any ideas you might have.

Thanks!

Quotes from Mike Yaconelli

Tuesday, July 31st, 2007

I’ll admit that I don’t know much about Mike Yaconelli. Brian and I used some Youth Specialties stuff back when we worked with the youth a few years back, but I’d never heard him speak or read anything of any real substance that he had written. This week would have marked his 65th birthday, and I have seen a YouTube video tribute to him posted on several sites in memory of him. (It’s a great video – search “Mike Yaconelli tribute.” It’s worth your time.) Watching that video made me curious what else Mr. Yaconelli has said. Here are a few other quotes from a really interesting man who loved Jesus enough to speak the truth when the truth needed saying:

It’s not about perfection; it’s about our intimacy with God, or our connection, our relationship with God. Once we get through that, once we realize that we can be imperfect, flawed, broken; those kinds of things are the ingredients of spirituality.
We’d like to have it all neat and orderly. We want to be able to measure it and control it, but the reality is that Jesus is a mystery. The Christian faith is a mystery. The disciples spent their entire time following him going, “Uhh, what the heck are you doing? We don’t understand what you’re doing and we don’t know why you’re doing it.” And when he would explain why he was doing it, they still didn’t get it.
I am beginning to understand that faith is not the way around pain, it is the way through pain. Faith doesn’t get rid of the opposition, it invites it over for dinner. Faith doesn’t give you the winning point at the last second, it ties the game and sends you into overtime. Faith doesn’t give you the solution, it forces you to find it.
The power of the Church is not a parade of flawless people, but of a flawless Christ who embraces our flaws. The Church is not made up of the whole people, rather of the broken people who find wholeness in a Christ who was broken for us.
I want a lifetime of holy moments. Every day I want to be in dangerous proximity to Jesus. I long for a life that explodes with meaning and is filled with adventure, wonder, risk, and danger. I long for a faith that is gloriously treacherous. I want to be with Jesus, not knowing whether to cry or laugh.
The grace of God is dangerous. It’s lavish, excessive, outrageous, and scandalous. God’s grace is ridiculously inclusive. Apparently God doesn’t care who He loves. He is not very careful about the people He calls His friends or the people He calls His church.
For the Christian, there is no distinction between the sacred and secular. Everything a Christian does is an expression of his faith. He does not make choices based on the religious significance of the alternative. As a Christian he makes the choice that is a logical extension of the values he has derived from his faith…
We’re attempting to convince the world how good Jesus is by how great we are. This is precisely how Madison Avenue sells toothpaste, automobiles, and underwear. People don’t need any more images of success, wealth, and power; they’re surrounded already. What they need are their sins forgiven. What they need is healing. What they need is love.
The tragedy of modern faith is that we no longer are capable of being terrified. We aren’t afraid of God, we aren’t afraid of Jesus, we aren’t afraid of the Holy Spirit. As a result, we have ended up with a need-centered gospel that attracts thousands…but transforms no one.

A Question for the Masses…

Monday, July 30th, 2007

What is the appropriate response someone on a worship team should give when people stop you after church and say “Worship was great today!”???

Grace and the *New* Legalism

Tuesday, July 24th, 2007

I have very sensitive antennae for matters of grace. I’m not sure exactly why. Maybe it’s because talk of true grace – unpaid for, unpayforable grace (Thanks, Mike!) – is often just something we sing about in church on Sundays – if that. So when I read Jared Wilson’s thoughts this morning on what he calls “the new legalism,” I left with a smile on my face. Jared hits the nail on the head in several areas. I particularly liked these two paragraphs:

The real Gospel of grace, however, calls us to submit to each other out of reverence to God. A wife should submit to her husband not because her husband is deserving of being submitted to (because no husband really is), but because it honors God. A husband should sacrifice and serve his wife not because she deserves it, but because it is a reflection of how Christ loved us. The difference is that we do these good works — all good works — not because they will get us stuff or make us happy, but because they are done for and by and unto God Himself. They aren’t steps to __________; they are done out of reverence for Christ.

This is because the new legalism, for all its talk of grace and love and tolerance and anti-condemnation, is just like the old legalism in that it tells us not to be satisfied with Jesus. Don’t be satisfied with Jesus’ work on your behalf, it suggests. That’s not enough. Do more, be more, become more. Because the real goal is not satisfaction with Christ, but success in life. I can’t think of anything more “anti” the testimony of the New Testament. Health, wealth, prosperity, conquering dysfunction — the Bible just isn’t really concerned with this stuff. At least, not in the ways the modern church is.

You can find the whole thing here.